Mercy Machine wrote:
As I sort of predicted
, Mensk's personnel-management style proves unwise. Interesting that Saphira seems to have tipped Shade off. I wonder if she (and possibly Marcus too) were plants in the first place?
Remember the Mensk=Hal comparison by Sapphira, although Sapphira appears to consider the entire Mensk clan as about the same.
One question, how long has it been since the death mark was put on them? It was only two weeks when they discovered the warp gate.
cbhacking wrote:I'm amused by the way Mensk keeps referring to them "murdering" his relatives... immunity to logic, or just a serious superiority complex?
Mensk's thinking is perfectly normal. People, and nations too, usually
apply a double standard of this kind. They kill our civilians? Murder. We kill their civilians? Collateral damage. They torture. We employ "enhanced interrogation". They rape civilians? War crime. We incinerate a city full of civilians with a nuclear weapon? Medals and commendations all round.
Still, pretty unwise mouthing off like that. Mensk is a slow learner.
Double logic also applies when you consider that Sapphira's minion killed another one of the Mensk clan, but that is forgotten or simply too dangerous to even mention, as might be shown by the comment by Shade. Shade (and maybe Marcus) might be getting a bit extra for reporting any such commentary about Sapphira to Sapphira.
As for the rest: Civilians are killed in an attack against civilians: Murder. Kill "their" civilians in an attack against their armed forces hiding among "their" civilians: Collateral damage. Do crippling, disfiguring and potentially fatal physical damage while questioning: Torture. Apply psychological stress in various forms without permanent harm: Enhanced interrogation. (FYI, don't bother trying to tell me about "permanent psychological damage", I know about it. Personally.)
They rape civilians: War crime. We incinerate a city full of civilians saving over one million casualties of our troops as well as untold millions of their other civilians because the government is full of whack jobs ready to go down in a welter of blood before admitting being wrong: Medals and commendations all around works out real well, for the lives saved at least.
You do realize that no law of warfare requires any army to clear a village house by house to make sure the civilians are spared? If armed men hide among civilians in a village and use them for cover while they try an ambush, then calling in the world on top of the village (a.k.a. destroying the village to save it) is perfectly legal and justified under the various treaties about land war.
Expanding some on the torture theme: Shall we ignore the fact that despite the extremely liberal definition of "uniform" to designate a legal armed combatant (an armband can do the trick), those taken without such are illegal combatants and legally have exactly zero, zilch, nada, nothing in the area of prisoner or legal protection. They are, at best, technically spies and even then, if captured, every breath they take after being identified as an illegal combatant is by all the laws of warfare at the whim of their captor. Even if they surrender. So, the "enhanced techniques" are actually showing far more restraint than is legally required.
Now, I will point out that as a society, to descend to that level of abuse has repercussions that I feel we don't need. However, to stick to politically correct liberal definitions with "equality" all around tends, in my experience, to mean that someone needs to actually get a clue about what real repression and war crimes are about. I'm sure that the vast majority of prisoners under repressive regimes would have loved to have had to deal with "enhanced interrogation techniques" rather than maiming, agony, disability and death. Of course, I might just not be "sensitive" enough to "feel their pain".